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J. Krishnamurti and Swami Venkatesananda, Gstaad, July 1969 Krishnamurti in group dialogue, India Krishnamurti talking with students Krishnamurti and a student, by Asit Chandmal

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Luc Signor
Apr 18, 1997 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Krishnamurti, Buddhism

I recently discovered Krishnamurti's books. i'm also interestered in buddhism, but i like Krishnamurti's independance. i'd like to mail with similar persons. For example, i'd like to know what practical attitudes they develop. I'm french: french speaking would be appreciated, but not necessary. So long

Luc Signor
(Rennes, France)

People in Action
May 11, 1998 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
What Is Enlightenment? - Dr. David Bohm and Krishnamurti

An interesting magazine that will be included in the next update of the People in Action directory (Spirituality section):

What Is Enlightenment?What Is Enlightenment?
Magazine on spirituality.

For example, an interview with F. David Peat on David Bohm and Krishnamurti is at:

Krishnamurti, Dr. David Bohm

Muralidhar Rao
Dec 19, 1998 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Dear Luc Signor,
I have been a great admirer of J.Krisnamurti. Since I am from India I could understand J.Krisnamurti quite naturally. The other spiritual masters from India almost similar to his teachings are Sri Ramana Maharishi, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj etc. I am sorry to say that it has not brought any change in my psyche so far. I am still a very mediocre person. Reading Krishnamurti has not brought me the insight that changes a man
in his heart. Time is running out and I shall probably die a stupid man. But I do hope by Divine Grace you will receive the Insight to know thyself.

With regards

Terry McMillan
Jan 15, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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your message hit at home. would like to discuss more.


shankar sadavarte
Feb 12, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: What Is Enlightenment? - Dr. David Bohm and Krishnamurti

The unique religious teacherJ,Krisnmurty and renowned phycist David Bohm reminds the Socretes and Pluto in

Mina Martini
Feb 13, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Dear sisters and brothers all over the world,
I tremble at the thought that I might be able to find truly serious people on this planet and come into contact with them.I came across J,Krisnamurti' s books at the age of seventeen and THE TRUTH,not Krisnamurti of course as a 'personality',changed my life radically,totally.There have lived many great minds who have managed to find the UNIVERSAL TRUTHS which apply to us all no matter if we are interested in them or not.Oh,I' ve got so much to say but I am running out of space.Please write to me!!!Life is an infinite miracle.We have to help all mankind!!There is no time to waste!!!!

John Maynard
Feb 19, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Bookstore Featuring Dr David Bohm, J. Krishnamurti etc

We have posted an bookstore on the WWW as a resource for the books and videos of the following people: Dr David Bohm, J. Krishnamurti, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharshi, plus some books on Bankei and Zen Buddhism. This can be found at

Link: Kalpataru Books and

James A. Lynch
Feb 20, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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It seems the life that krishnamurti is living of one of the present. rthough we think of death it is as he might have said death to what, petty pleasures and vain asociations. So I do not know TRUTH, our living and pointing out our lives to me is truth. I do not know what anyone means by truth other than to see things as they really are right now. Through attentiveness Krisnamurti asks not what is truth but insteads listens and asks if we want to be alive. To live as an aware humanbeing is the precious gift. And so i think we sould smile and say to life. Take care

Mina Martini
Mar 08, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Dear Friend,
Thank you for responding to what I had written. You were very right in saying that you do not know what the 'truth' is.I do not know,either.I can't see any truth which would be separate from our daily existence,something which could be understood and then stored somewhere.A memory of 'timeless existence' may be stored in our brain-cells,but it is still memory,not something LIVING.If anyone claims to "know the truth",he/she obviously doesn't.When I used the word 'truth'I simply referred to a point in my life (there can be such a point in a person's life)when the veil was taken away from before my eyes.I did not mean that I would have went on living "knowing the truth" or having it captured anywhere.EVERYTHING is moving all the time and an idea of truth would just get in the way,as all ideas do.
Please,if you are interested in discussing anything at all with me,I would be delighted to do so.
Yours sincerely,mina

p. scallan
Mar 14, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Bookstore Featuring Dr David Bohm, J. Krishnamurti etc

send me any lists of books by david bohm

olivia valdespino
May 01, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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I only want to know who was krishnamurti

May 14, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Dear Mina,

I'm thrilled to find you... someone interested in discussing K.
I do realize talking K can be difficult or it has in the past with others I have met who have studied his work or even worked for him.
It seems that each of us has had insights in different areas. It would be wonderful to share these different insights though.
The people I've met in the past have mostly been just living life as it comes and as they see to do it with what they have learned and were not so very interested in discussing anything about K and his work. I am actually lonely for it and realize an insight into loneliness would be a good thing. I spoke to a woman that had a chat with the Dalai Lama and he mentioned to her that this loneliness that comes with some enlightenment is usual with Westerners but rare in the East. I wished I had had more time to talk with her about this. Do you have any thoughts on this topic...lonliness? Anik

May 21, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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My wife is a buddhist christian (believes in both traditions)
I am an agnostic. God of course is not a "he" does not exist like we do and does not dispense any favors. It can not be "sold" with fear. Most religions end up enslaving women and taking money from all.
Krishnamurti was a great thinker that deserved my respect.
We have been invaded by pseudoreligious indian comercialism. First believe and then donate...and do not forget how superior we are. What do you think a kid in Calcutta with 200 going to do. To stay in India to starve o come to the west to B.S.and be boss without working.
Guruism specially appeals to New Agers that innocently believed that
the truth was a product of the East.
Krishnaurti was a universal soul and a keen intelligence, deserves to be read and is very believable, he did not found any church to have power, prestige or money. No real Prophet does. But their pupils do.
Love for yourself and all people, profound and total humility, rejection of all things material. Buddha said, want nothing and you will own the peace. Jesus said, leave every thing and follow me, I am
love. Mahommed said, do not represent God as a thing.
My philosophy and Khrisnamurti are parallel, I enjoy reading him as much as I enjoy readin myself. Life is a very private matter,let's not involve anybodys ideas in it...find our own truth. Krishnamurti
would smile...he did not need gurus...neither do you.
F.Raul Gualda

peter crook
Jun 01, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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I am interested in doing a research paper on the similarities between
Krishnamurti and Buddhism. Anyone have any contacts, views, and related resources.
Peter crook

Aug 13, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Yes I am interested in K and his teachings. I also read some of UG Krishnamurti a minute ago, who sounds quite interesting, and I think it's a good idea that his work is available for free download. I think K's work should be too =) You guys have any views on UG? I myself find him a bit disturbing but I thought that about K at first as well. What kept me going with K was that he was very concerned with "love and morality"; it stopped me from thinking he was a complete nutcase!! =) To me UG seems cold and harsh and despressing.
From other I've spoken to, they find K's words quite inspiring but seem to have given up on it at some point. "He gives you no direction or hope", in other words. I have no intellectual trouble with this, hence the fact that I've "followed" him for so long (a bad way of putting it, I know!!)
Anyway, I must go now.

bye =)

Aug 13, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Thank you for reminding us that the spiritual cannot be captured by followers who want to repeat someone else's truth. The truth of spirit (love) lives in this moment.

I enjoy reading K, because sometimes I forget and get caught up in the drama of the world. I forget that I am not "Kim" and that even my thoughts are not who I am. When I remember, then I am free.

Aug 13, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Dear friend,

Thank you for reaching out. There are others around the globe who also understand, but I rarely find myself in their company either. Sometimes I crave contact with others who are interested in understanding, but when I crave/desire, then I know that I am not remembering who I am. When I remain in the moment, I am filled with love and am in need of nothing.

Let us help mankind by finding our way to ourselves. There lies the recognition of who/what we really are and in that the natural unfolding of what will be. That is what I see. How do you think we should help mankind?


Aug 15, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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The idea to "help mankind" is a good one, as I pity those who consider that the world is fine as it is and who mindlessly continue the cycle of mediocrity. At the moment I myself can't really offer anything much, other than be a bit kinder to the people I know more immedietely. I am not yet at the stage of wanting to change the world, other than at an intellectual level.
The danger for us, or at least me, is that spiritually becomes an intellectual pursuit rather than something more pure -- perhaps a real desire for change, maybe. I've fallen into this trap quite a lot, I'm sorry to say. Knowing everything is pointless if your life is a mess. More and more I'm beginning to think that most of the knowledge can be gained from obversing life itself rather than reading some book. It never seems to do any harm reading Krishnamurti, though I must admit I do read him too quickly and at times impatiently (thinking to myself that there's a lot of repitition of ideas). That's why I like the audio tapes so much (or listening to his dialogues/talks on Real Networks.) I'm forced to listen to every word, and my mind is clearer and more receptive.
Anyway, I'm glad to know there are people very involved in this as you are. I myself have a long way to go in terms of learning to live life rather than simply think about it. Hopefully I will learn from the posts here.

good luck,

P K Tewari
Aug 19, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Bookstore Featuring Dr David Bohm, J. Krishnamurti etc

Please provide me the details of all the books of David Bohm and J Krishnamurti

Aug 22, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Hey, I recently found UG's stuff on-line, too, and have been reading it for the past week. It seems to me that his manner is meant to kill the "I", or separate identity of the person--or at least to show that he does not value in the least what is not real (meaning the false sense of self/importance). I have come across descriptions of these harsh words in the downloaded writings, and though it sounds cruel, it gave me the experience of seeing how I have looked for affirmation and acceptance from others to validate my own existance. Why is it so devistating when we don't get this? What are we protecting? After reading UG, now I am in real conflict. Do I want pretty experiences of love and acceptance in this world (dream), or do I want to be free of duality? To be free of duality, means death of Kim and all of her desires to have a beautiful life, etc. I know I can create my own life, see what I want to see in the dream of my life, but is that enough? Isn't that all just manipulation of consciousness? Manipulation doesn't cut it for me. Unfortunately, the confilct within has escalated because of reading UG. All of which is okay. Kim

Aug 23, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Reading your message makes me want to read over UG's stuff again, although I'm not sure I'm completely ready for it yet! I feel a bit fragile at the moment for some strange reason. I'm sure there's something to all this. I feel I have only just started my journey anyway, and I'm not very advanced spiritually.

I'm glad you replied. I hope there are other forums around like this one. I have looked through Usenet and couldn't find anything though. There was someone who had a page and had his own forum there, but no-one posted any messages to it except him! (or her) =) I'll try and find it.


Aug 25, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Reading UG wouldn't be my choice if I were feeling fragile. It rips every security blanket away from you. Reading JK feels more gentle. I read "The Awakening of Intelligence" last fall, then bought "Total Freedom", and have another little book that I can't find. What I found most interesting was his discussions on love/relationships. What I got out of it was that we humans are mainly just pursuing pleasure and looking for security. I could really see what he was saying, and changed my concept of romantic love. I no longer am looking to fall in or stay in love. Maybe real love is just the energy that lies behind this illusion of our everyday lives--and has no object (I am love vs. I love him/her/that).

Regarding beginning to see life as an illusion, reading JK really helped me. I started becoming aware of my thoughts-HOW SO MANY THOUGHTS DOMINATE MY EXPERIENCE IN EVERY MOMENT! This constant stream of thought creates the reality that I experience. I would recommend observing your thoughts in the moment as much as possible, and see what happens for you.

Another noticable change in me since reading JK is that I am not dominated or influenced by emotions to any significant degree any more. This was a natural development as a result of observing my life. Riding the emotional roller coaster is a human passtime that is a huge waste of energy. I do believe that when you see it, it is then over. That is, that knowing deeply that emotionalism is my way of being pathetic/victimized (in my case)then I can no longer fool myself and play the game.

My parting comment is to note the importance of your own experience and your own AUTHORITY. My experiences may not help you in the least, and if they are of no significance, don't waste time on understanding them. I am just saying that these have been my experiences.

As for other forums, I'll be checking around, too. Maybe I'll bump into you in cyberspace. Kim

Aug 25, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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>As for other forums, I'll be checking around, too. Maybe I'll bump >into you in cyberspace. Kim

Yes, hopefully. I will try and post some things to the Delphi Forums (when I have thought of some intelligent things to say!!), under Not So Frequently Asked Questions. People in Action is good but I'm after someting more private and less general. I think I'll move elsewhere and eventually stop checking this thread.

> Another noticable change in me since reading JK is that I am not >dominated or influenced by emotions to any significant degree any > >more. This was a natural development as a result of observing my >life.

I am actually experiencing that now as well. It's good to hear JK has had a postive effect on you. I have read many Krishnamurti books, many times over, for the last seven years and haven't noticed anything positive until recently. What you say about authority is so true also. Most answers to questions I find are within myself, not through some outside source. This isn't to sound grandiose but I think there is a lot to learn through actual experience.

Your words have been valuable, and I hope to bump into you again.


Sep 26, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Please contact me about a bibliography of Krisnamurti.Thank you.

Oct 07, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Yes,,, what was the basics for changing your life after reading his books ? Whats get you most ?
I did read some as well , where: deep, effective, strong..
His words has the power for those who they feel and wants to listen. But when I write those sentences, I did ask my self: why people talk like I do now, why am I doing this ?          Want some energy, attention of somewhone, ...?
... at last, maybe it is true silens said the most.


service is the way...


Oct 16, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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At last I managed to make some progress on the internet. The first word that came to mind when going on line was Krishnamurti. I am fascinated by man's message, i have read so much about him and at moments find that I am in tune with wahat he is about , but alas these are only transitory moments and as such 'illusory'.I then return to rereading him and then reflect that somehow he has left us all cold. It really is great to join in this dialogue in order to find out alittle more about the ultimate truth we all seem to yearn for. by the way, Yiannis I speak Greek,good luck in your search for M.

Tony L
Oct 18, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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By chance I discovered K in a library some years back. I pulled a tape from the self that look interesting and watched it. It was K and Dr. Bohm having a discussion. I was amazed at the fact that much of what he was saying were things I had thought about my self. I wasn't amazed that he so profound but just at the fact his mind was so similar to mine; or alteast what he was saying seem to reflect that. I have sinced read up on him.
I'm just wondering if anyone else feels the same way or if they find what he's saying original or divinely inspired. Are you baffled by his Ideas or do you understand them?
Not wanting to boast, I think i know where there coming from. It comes out a mystical experience. Anyone who has had one would easily understand where K is coming. it creates an inner disposition that can been seen other people like Buddha, Jesus, Saints, Monks and even Socrates. When i was 18 i had a mystical experience. I think K must have had one also. I don't meam to consider myself his equal because i know i'm no where near his level. However, i do think i glimpsed some of the truths he has.

Oct 30, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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I read a lot about J. Krisnamurti and I am very happy about it.
I discovered the life realty studying his discussions and now I can certainly live my life in a better way.
I suggest you to read several books of Krisnaj edit from roman editor Ubaldini that you can find in every book store of yr town in Italy.
If later you would like to exchange some opinion about his think with me I will be very happy of it.


Dec 07, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Hello, Luc
Sorry, my french is close to none...
I think I can say without being wrong that K has made the most significant impact on my life. It changed the way I look at things.
It gave me the urge of pursuing the absolute. And once you start,100%
seriously,to explore it you might end up by catching a glimps at the...unnamed, the 'everything that is'. It cancelles you,for about a second,and than you're stuck for life with this tremendous feeling.
It's pure life, and your new developed 'addiction' to it,will always push you for its pursuit. The normal daily life goes on and when you have the time and freshness,you go for it again: the pursuit of absolute.
Best of luck,

Hakopa Te Ngahere
Dec 10, 1999 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Even in Aotearoa (N.Z.) we have heard of krishnamurti. Ka nui te aroha ki a koutou .

primula pandit
Jan 13, 2000 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Recently I was at a workshop but eeryone was concerned with interpreting krisnamurti and telin others not one person took the responsibility of change. One of theparticipants dreamed that he was climbing up spiral very fast adn if he looked down he might fall.

Feb 09, 2000 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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i find that both krishnamurti's tackle the same problem,from different directions, they both are afterall, human, therefore personality is still evident in the presentation.what is holy? and what is not holy? obviously everything or nothing at all.

Oct 29, 2000 - 00:19   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
U.G.Is alive and living in Palm Springs.....
He will travel to Australia at the end of this year...
For anyone who is searching read his utterances and then you will stop the search....
This will free the energy that is used up in the search...

Jan 05, 2001 - 18:36   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I hope that one day we are able to understand entirely what these great thinkers were tring to convey to us and if we and when we do that we will be on our way to achieving the real goal ie the reason for us being in this mortal world bye

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When I first came across JK at 20 years old (my flatmate had a series of videos of talks) I found myself tuning out. 18 years later, this year, in fact, I picked up 'Truth and Actuality' at a secondhand bookshop and I've since bought 'Freedom from the Known'. I've been meditating, practising yoga and mindfulness for some time, and have felt, generally speaking, quite content over the past year (as distinct from almost a decade of turmoil before that). Reading JK makes me feel uncomfortable, and that's why I'm persisting with him. I feel pricked. Uncertain. Fearful. All those old feelings I haven't felt for a while. It's upsetting. This is the value of JK for me - pushing me towards the realisation that there can be complacency and false security even in what appears to be functional practice. Clearly, if a man's words can unsettle me so easily, how fragile and tenuous is this "peace" I've created? My "peace" is in fact another "image". Has anyone else had this experience?

Charles Munn
Sep 08, 2001 - 17:34   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I've recently posted the first draft for my new book, Beyond Thought. It is founded on an insight from J.Krisnamurti in discussions with David Bohm.
Beyond Thought details how we can get to that place of no thought and experience the wholeness of the universe. Please check it out at: and give me your feedback.
Charles Munn

Karuna Pham
Oct 20, 2001 - 14:03   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
J.Krisnamurti is Lama Yeshe and is Maitraya Buddha?

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Here it is for our present situation:

On War
Text from The First and Last Freedom -Krisnamurti

"War is the spectacular and bloody projection of our everyday life, is it not? War is merely an outward expression of our inward state, an enlargement of our daily action. It is more spectacular, more bloody, more destructive, but it is the collective result of our individual activities. Therefore, you and I are responsible for war and what can we do to stop it? Obviously the ever-impending war cannot be stopped by you and me, because it is already in movement; it is already taking place, though at present chiefly on the psychological level. As it is already in movement, it cannot be stopped - the issues are too many, too great, and are already committed. But you and I, seeing that the house is on fire, can understand the causes of that fire, can go away from it and build in a new place with different materials that are not combustible, that will not produce other wars. That is all that we can do. You and I can see what creates wars, and if we are interested in stopping wars, then we can begin to transform ourselves, who are the causes of war.

"An American lady came to see me a couple of years ago, during the war. She said she had lost her son in Italy and that she had another son aged sixteen whom she wanted to save; so we talked the thing over. I suggested to her that to save her son she had to cease to be an American; she had to cease to be greedy, cease piling up wealth, seeking power, domination, and be morally simple - not merely simple in clothes, in outward things, but simple in her thoughts and feelings, in her relationships. She said, "That is too much.

"You are asking far too much. I cannot do it, because circumstances are too powerful for me to alter". Therefore she was responsible for the destruction of her son.

"Circumstances can be controlled by us, because we have created the circumstances. Society is the product of relationship, of yours and mine together. If we change in our relationship, society changes; merely to rely on legislation, on compulsion, for the transformation of outward society, while remaining inwardly corrupt, while continuing inwardly to seek power, position, domination, is to destroy the outward, however carefully and scientifically built. That which is inward is always overcoming the outward. What causes war - religious, political or economic? Obviously belief, either in nationalism, in an ideology, or in a particular dogma. If we had no belief but goodwill, love and consideration between us, then there would be no wars. But we are fed on beliefs, ideas and dogmas and therefore we breed discontent. The present crisis is of an exceptional nature and we as human beings must either pursue the path of constant conflict and continuous wars, which are the result of our everyday action, or else see the causes of war and turn our back upon them.

"Obviously what causes war is the desire for power, position, prestige, money; also the disease called nationalism, the worship of a flag; and the disease of organized religion, the worship of a dogma. All these are the causes of war; if you as an individual belong to any of the organized religions, if you are greedy for power, if you are envious, you are bound to produce a society which will result in destruction. So again it depends upon you and not on the leaders - not on so-called statesmen and all the rest of them. It depends upon you and me but we do not seem to realize that. If once we really felt the responsibility of our own actions, how quickly we could bring to an end all these wars, this appalling misery! But you see, we are indifferent. We have three meals a day, we have our jobs, we have our bank accounts, big or little, and we say, "For God's sake, don't disturb us, leave us alone". The higher up we are, the more we want security, permanency, tranquillity, the more we want to be left alone, to maintain things fixed as they are; but they cannot be maintained as they are, because there is nothing to maintain. Everything is disintegrating. We do not want to face these things, we do not want to face the fact that you and I are responsible for wars. You and I may talk about peace, have conferences, sit round a table and discuss, but inwardly, psychologically, we want power, posit1on, we are motivated by greed. We intrigue, we are nationalistic, we are bound by beliefs, by dogmas, for which we are willing to die and destroy each other. Do you think such men, you and I, can have peace in the world? To have peace, we must be peaceful; to live peacefully means not to create antagonism. Peace is not an ideal. To me, an ideal is merely an escape, an avoidance of what is, a contradiction of what is. An ideal prevents direct action upon what is. To have peace, we will have to love, we will have to begin not to live an ideal life but to see things as they are and act upon them, transform them. As long as each one of us is seeking psychological security, the physiological security we need - food, clothing and shelter - is destroyed. We are seeking psychological security, which does not exist; and we seek it, if we can, through power, through position, through titles, names - all of which is destroying physical security. This is an obvious fact, if you look at it.

"To bring about peace in the world, to stop all wars, there must be a revolution in the individual, in you and me. Economic revolution without this inward revolution is meaningless, for hunger is the result of the maladjustment of economic conditions produced by our psychological states - greed, envy, ill will and possessiveness. To put an end to sorrow, to hunger, to war, there must be a psychological revolution and few of us are willing to face that. We will discuss peace, plan legislation, create new leagues, the United Nations and so on and on; but we will not win peace because we will not give up our position, our authority, our money, our properties, our stupid lives. To rely on others is utterly futile; others cannot bring us peace. No leader is going to give us peace, no government, no army, no country. What will bring peace is inward transformation which will lead to outward action. Inward transformation is not isolation, is not a withdrawal from outward action. On the contrary, there can be right action only when there is right thinking and there is no right thinking when there is no self-knowledge. Without knowing yourself, there is no peace.

"To put an end to outward war, you must begin to put an end to war in yourself. Some of you will nod your heads and say, "I agree", and go outside and do exactly the same as you have been doing for the last ten or twenty years. Your agreement is merely verbal and has no significance, for the world's miseries and wars are not going to be stopped by your casual assent. They will be stopped only when you realize the danger, when you realize your responsibility, when you do not leave it to somebody else. If you realize the suffering, if you see the urgency of immediate action and do not postpone, then you will transform yourself; peace will come only when you yourself are peaceful, when you yourself are at peace with your neighbour."

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Dr James Hunter
Feb 19, 2002 - 00:54   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi everyone. It is 2/18/2002 and I was reviewing the K messages. I have been studying his works for over 20 years and would be able to faciliate more deep discussion about K and his works and life with anyone out there. Krishnamurti films and videos are available from Ojai as well as many resources. Let me hear from you all.

Corey Saines
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hi. I'm new to the study of buddhism. I've read a massive amount this summer and seen alot of refereces to J. Krishnamurti. Would anyone care to make me a reading list of his works with good starting points and essentials?

thanks alot!!

Corey Saines
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haris rana
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In my point of view the truth does not need any system for its manifestation....looking for a friend to discuss religion in a broader sence (particularly from india)
thank you!

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Jun 15, 2004 - 18:43   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you can look close, there comes a pic about krishnamurti.

I think he was quite a human being. who experienced the other.

In his "Notebook," and in all his writings, he has identified the coming and going of the otherness.

So, he was sensitive enough to feel it for the first time. and then whenever that special energy comes and goes, he could feel it.
He could not describe in words because, it was indescribable...
or words are not sufficient to describe the wholeness of it.

Is that correct? has anyone felt like that before?

I would like to hear from you, if you have any comments on that.

Jun 25, 2004 - 21:42   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Krishnamurti and budhism are two totally different things.Budhism is juiceless, krishnamurti is full of life.In budhism there is conflict between inner being and outer world.Outer world is taken as unimportant so only inner silence is important.By Krishnamurti all your senses must be fully awakened, so you can enjoy life:)take it fully in:)you are not in the cave dulling your senses or in world with dull senses, but having more fuller contact with world:)So even your silence is different.It is more alive because all your being is alive.Budha is not man worth even to think about one second.He was a man of dull senses so not alive in his being.Krishnamurti was alive.Dont never ever mix those guys, Budha is lifeless man absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, no life in him.So people who take budhism seriously become all lifeless, if there is inner silence in them, that silence also becomes lifeless.Make your senses more sharp and then you heart desire fullfills -you can take joy of life then every moment.Never talk to me that if you sit in your room and are silent in one moment its something special.It is a budha way.Go to crowded places and make your senses alive if you love somebody touch her with fully awakened senses so you can feel, you are alive:)drink water and feel fuller, eat with all senses alive.That`s a creative life, if you dance keep your senses alive, all your being is then different, don`t look for your inner silence in your room, if your senses are fully awakened all your mind is alive, hence all thoughts and feelings are also not disturbing your outward attention. This is the way to live live live live,never lose this,and Budha is dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am dancing:)Budha is dead:)with Jimmy Hendrix music:)

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U.G. is the man of dull senses also.Having dead silence in him he never can touch life alive.You can:)he doesn´t enjoy you, he is proud of is inward silence.Look his face!This is the face of proud and dull man!Silent of course, but dull and proud!Perfect example of lifeless silence:)

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You talk about otherness, that´s all not worth of talking.In Krishnamurti flowed all time the lifefull being.If your senses are alive then in all occasions that lifefull being grows more and more and never stops. In times that growing more is bigger ,so you can discribe that today I feel differently and so on.But in fact the growing more is constant and without sudden surprises in it.Soméone is talking that in Krishnamurti`s notebook he is discribing otherness as coming and going.That`s completly wrong.He has so called better being always in him and that sudden surprise comed to him because liféfull being moved more quickly in him when it normally could, hence a pain in his head.After that quick moving went to normal speed, pain and different being vanished, but what remined was also fully alive being and that flowed in peace and aliveness in him all time all throughout his life never stopping, never going.So the constant change was possible. Because more the better being flows in you, the more alive being you will have.And that change is constant not going and coming and always changing its nature:)into better and better:)Dont call that otherness, call it aliveness:)you are living:)take it fully in:)vow!:):):)

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Would any of you agree that it maybe important to try remove the idea of Jiddu Krishnamurti, the teacher, from his teachings. Otherwise the danger is that this will destroy his teachings. JK talks of the distractions of the mind persistently throughout his life & warned against this because he was fully aware of the power of our thoughts to focus / become obsessed by an idea. We have already too many ideas that distract our minds without adding another one.
His teachings, it seems, begin & end with yourself & your relationship with the world, & surely they must remain as just that. It would be pointless to attatch these beautiful truths / teachings to the teacher in the same way that it would be pointless to worship a flower because of its beautiful colourings.
Would it not be greater to recognise the potential of a supreme being within yourself ? I feel that more importantly we must try to understand the very personal experience that these teachings advocate & to help facilitate this we must also disassociate this experience from Krisnamurti the teacher.

I would appreciate any views on this subject, especially if you do not agree !

Oct 19, 2004 - 08:40   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
i have realized the unknown. does any one else from Ks teachings ?

Tony F.
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Hi,I don't know if this will work.Test message.I would like to try correspondence about k.From Tony F.

Isaac Vitesnik
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What is, is what is! just observe it...analyse this teaching, analyse that teaching(including Krishnamurti) and we are once again distracted to the ever flowing, indestructable, resplendent expression of divinty, the constant singular moment, the state beyond our thoughts, beyond our analysing minds...our minds with our thoughts and our dialouge about this and that is the distraction......

john smith
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I think there is something higher than observing the self.I think there is a truth that encompasses self and no-self.there is truth in everything, even in delusion.delusion is part of the ultimate phenomena.thought is part of it.non-thought is part of it.states of consciousness seem to be based on energy and energy fluctuates.there is truth in whatever state we are in.a centerless state is still a human state.I think k went into a psychological(or mystical)equivalent of a black hole, but black holes exist inside of something greater in my opinion.I think there is a truth that can combine time and timelessness and whatever is beyond these two, after all, these concepts are projected from inside this phenomena.we are conditioned by the concept and experience of time and no-time.I think this is too limiting.we can't say that all the teachings and religions and belief systems have no value.they are all based on principles and so are part of the truth.every human experience is part of the phenomena,part of the truth.if you want to analyse, then analyse.if you want to observe the observer,then observe.these are the thoughts(or observations) of someone in a complex semi-selfless ego calls it meta-mysticism and this is one grain of sand.

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To whom it may concern!

I am a philosophy student in one of the schools in the Philippines and I'm writing a thesis about Jiddu Krishnamurti. I'm 20 yrs old. My thesis is entitled Towards an Authentic Life: An Evaluation of Jiddu Krishnamurti's Concept of the Self. In connection with this I would like to solicit from you some ideas and pointers about the teachings and philosophy of Krishnamurti. I have read some of his books but still I have found it difficult to grasp his real contentions. Would you help me to free myself from this confusions and conflicts? After all that's what Krishnamurti wants us to do, to be free so that the higher self may emerge.
Thank you very much!

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Don't memorize or create dimension by living in the past sayings of anyone. If you understand, then "be." Forget the impetus or origination and live by what one has understood. It is duality to become anything or anybody - BE. It does not matter whom is what, and what is whom.

Experience everything as a precious and new wonderment.

subhash thakur
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much of this seems ridiculous. we are talking about things we don't really understand. most don't want to change, we are fine in our place and are frighten to disturb it. we can talk all day about what K said and call it the truth but until we live it the discussion is completely hollow.

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Jiddu Krishnamurti (Telugu: జిడ్డు కృష్ణ మూర్తి) or J. Krishnamurti (Telugu: జే . కృష్ణ మూర్తి), (May 12, 1895–February 17, 1986) was a well known writer and speaker on philosophical and spiritual subjects. His subject matter included: the purpose of meditation, human relationships, the nature of the mind, and how to enact positive change in global society.

Krishnamurti was born into a Telugu Brahmin family in what was then colonial India. In early adolescence, he had a chance encounter with prominent occultist and high-ranking theosophist C.W. Leadbeater in the grounds of the Theosophical Society headquarters at Adyar in Madras (now Chennai). He was subsequently raised under the tutelage of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater, leaders of the Society at the time, who believed him to be a "vehicle" for an expected World Teacher. As a young man, he disavowed this idea and dissolved the worldwide organization (the Order of the Star) established to support it. He claimed allegiance to no nationality, caste, religion, or philosophy, and spent the rest of his life traveling the world as an individual speaker, speaking to large and small groups, as well as with interested individuals. He authored a number of books, among them The First and Last Freedom, The Only Revolution, and Krishnamurti's Notebook. In addition, a large collection of his talks and discussions have been published. At age 90, he addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness, and was awarded the 1984 UN Peace Medal. His last public talk was in Madras, India, in January 1986, a month before his death at home in Ojai, California.

His supporters, working through several non-profit foundations, oversee a number of independent schools centered on his views on education – in India, Great Britain and the United States – and continue to transcribe and distribute many of his thousands of talks, group and individual discussions, and other writings, publishing them in a variety of formats including print, audio, video and digital formats as well as online, in many languages.

mark patrick l. metante
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Feb 03, 2009 - 11:13   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
his book seems to interesting.........i want to read some of his books.But sadly i don't have any...Can I borrow yours?????

Jan 07, 2010 - 14:49   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I am looking for an accurate source (citation) for the quote attributed to Krishnamurti "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." I expect that - if he were asked - K would say 'the statement should stand on its own merit, irregardless of the source', but I'm using the quote in an academic document ...and they have rules!

Any help appreciated. Thanks

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