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Jay lakhani
Nov 28, 1998 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Introduction

Your work is excellent. We would like to have a link up with you on the web as we have similar objectives.

We are developing links between science and spirituality and have active forum of portraying teachings of Hinduism in educational fields in England.
Dear Sir/Madam

We are involved in portraying Hindu teachings in educational institutes in England. If you require any help or resources on this subject we will be happy to assist. We are a non commercial, non sectarian body.

Vivekananda Centre London
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or web site: -
http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

Link: Vivekananda Centre London

People in Action
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Vivekananda Centre London

Among the new links, there is one to your web site on the notable Hindu teachers Vivekananda and Ramakrishna. It's on the Spirituality section.

Probably, this link (Vivekananda Centre London) will be moved to the new directory about Europe, under construction now.

Luck with your good work.

Link: People in Action: Spirituality (Links)

Barry Pittard
Jul 06, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

In an area where I find paucity, I'm looking for any quality studies that get as close as possible to who and what certain ancient Indian sages actually were or well might have been.

For my study on naadisaastra of different traditions, in different parts of India, I require as much information as I can get on the Sapta Rishis - the seven Rishis of Vedic times, sometimes called Saptarsi - Gautama, Bharadwaja, Vishwamitra, Jamadagni, Vasishta, Kasyapa, Atri; who also, in Astronomy, correspond to the constellation Ursa Major, commonly known as the Big Dipper,The Bear,The Plough ...

Other sages about whom I am always striving to get more decent FACTUAL information about are:

Bhrighu, Shuka, Shukra, Druva, Amsa, Agasthya, Kousika, Koumara, Kakbhusandi, Bhoga, Pullipani,Parasara, Sahadeva ...

Can you or other colleagues suggest?

Barry Pittard

p.s. With regard to my study of Nadisastra, I wish to make contact (especially by email) with scholars and others knowledgeable about Rajaji - Sri Chakravarty Rajagopalachari (1878-1972), the great Indian freedom fighter, scholar, former Governor West Bengal and Tamil Nadu, post Independence Governor General of India, social reformer, etc.

I have found some reference to him in my study and wonder whether the Sapta Rishi Nadi connection with Rajagopalachari is known to them.

Barry Pittard (Australia)

Sitaram
Sep 25, 1999 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Strive to Find Happiness and Meaning Within Your Self

Page 164

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page164.htm

Link: Hinduism and Interfaith Dialogues

sidra
Feb 15, 2000 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

this is with reference to your query on the Sapta Rishis. well they are the 7 rishis who form the astronomical constellation of Ursa Major.it is said that the second rishi bharadwaj is suppossed to be a very pious man who was an animal and bird lover. one of his favourite brid's... the Bharadwaj pakshi is considered very auspicious in India.
i will post some more info. on this whenever i am able to.
hope this information is useful to u.
regs
sidra

Krish
Oct 07, 2002 - 00:36   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

Read the full version of the "Vasistha Yoga" by swami venkatesananda. You will get to know lots abt the famous rishis of yore...

Gautama, Bharadwaja, Vishwamitra, Jamadagni, Vasishta, Kasyapa, Atri
Bhrighu, Shuka, Shukra, Druva, Amsa, Agasthya, Kousika, Koumara, Kakbhusandi, Bhoga, Pullipani,Parasara, Sahadeva ...

http://esamskriti.com/html/ new_inside.asp?cat_name=greatmen&cid=615&sid=124

http://www.freeindia.org/biographies/ - all abt rishis, swamis, freedom fighters, saints etc

http://www.urday.com/sanatana.htm - vedas, puranas, upanishads etc

andrei
Jun 09, 2003 - 13:44   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

I would like to know more about sapta rishi.

Ramkrishna
Sep 04, 2003 - 21:09   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

I am posting this, after conducting exhaustive search on ancient hindu rishis.. and tracing my ancestry..which is very fascinating..It actually dates to at least 5000 BC...11th Century AD till late 18th century..I am filling the gaps in the genealogy...

This search makes me just a beginner..so i am passing on whatever little i know... write me a line, maybe i could try to help..

Well, the Hindus have a great oral tradition, and this verbally transmitted knowledge goes back to several milleniums. before christ.. Every hindu child has heard mythical stories about these rishis..

Rshis are main disseminators of knowledge in Vedic times..

These Saptharishis are mentioned in Vedas, which are the earliest known form of Preserved Knowledge known to mankind.. According to these Vedic scriptures, these Saptharishis are sons of Brahma and the original intended function of these Saptharishis is to procreate life and Pass on the knowledge they received verbally from Brahma.

Even today, Most Hindus trace their ancestry to these 7 Rishis ..Almost all of them trace it to Angirasa Rishi.. My own ancestry dates to Angirasa Rishi then to Bharadwaja Rishi...

V. J. Laxmanan
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Sep 08, 2004 - 05:33   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Friends:

I wanted to find out if there was any message board dealing with spiritual matters. A few minutes ago I found a very nice discussion about why one should pray. Then I found the following, which includes a translation of all the verses of the Immortal Bhagavad Gita.

http://www.ishwar.com/hinduism/holy_bhagavad_gita/chapter18.html

Now, I am typing this message. Is it possible that we can start a nice discussion on spirituality? I, for one, have been thinking for sometime about posting some stories from The Shreemad Bhagavatam, which I read regularly. These stories tell us about Creation, about God, and about His many incarnations. May be there is a receptive audience here. I will check back later. Hope to hear from many of you here.


V. J. Laxmanan
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Oct 09, 2004 - 04:22   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Krish:

I read some parts of your post dated Oct 07, 2002 - 00:36

Thank you for sharing it. I found the discussion between Narada and Sanatkumara to be particularly enlightening.
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Re: Saptarsi or Sapta Rishi or Seven Rishis, Rajaji, etc

Read the full version of the "Vasistha Yoga" by swami venkatesananda. You will get to know lots about the famous rishis of yore...

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The related messages have been moved to this new section.

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V. J. Laxmanan
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Apr 20, 2005 - 07:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Religion at crossroads

Many religious leaders, especially the liberals among the U. S. Catholics, view the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, with a great deal of skepticism. Conservatives on the other hand are elated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7563460/?GT1=6428

Hinduism also is at a crossroads. Never before have we seen the spectacle of the head of Kancji Mutt behind prison bars. Some have viewed Sir Jayendra Saraswati's Loukikam as a needless digress from his religious duties - see last sentence of the article "The Sankaracharya Affair", link given below.

http://www.chennaionline.com/society/11sankaracharya02.asp

Is this a forum appropriate to discuss some of these issues. I look forward to your responses and hope the forum moderator(s) will encourage such a discussion.

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Apr 22, 2005 - 20:36   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

V. J. Laxmanan wrote:

Is this a forum appropriate to discuss some of these issues.



Naturally, posts related to Hinduism are very welcome on this section. More possibilities:

Spirituality - Message Board - People in Action
https://peopleinaction.com/board/2/364.html

Christianity - Message Board - People in Action
https://peopleinaction.com/board/2/659.html

India - Message Board - People in Action
https://peopleinaction.com/board/2/515.html

Etc...

Moderation has been minimal until now, only when necessary. For example, given the number of posts on Vedic Astrology, it was convenient for users to move those messages to a new more specific section about the topic.

Again, welcome. ;-)

V. J. Laxmanan
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Apr 23, 2005 - 00:59   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear All:

Thanks a lot to the forum moderators for encouraging this topic.

I look forward to more discussion of the critical issues facing Hindus, if not Hinduism itself, in the wake of the unfortunate Kanchi Sankaracharya episode. Hinduism will surely survive this episode.

I once had the good fortune of meeting and seeking the blessing of all the three seers of the Kanchi Mutt, when all three acharyas were reigning simultaneously. I also had the great fortune of meeting with the two present seers on two different occasions. The reverence they commanded was simply stunning.

However, I was shocked and pained by the manner in which Sri Jayendra Saraswati was arrested and jailed and held without bail by the Tamilnadu government. It was as if a part of me was gone forever. I even stopped reciting the Lalitha Sahastranamam, very dear to the Sri Sri Sri Chandrasekhara Saraswati, for a period of time, after that episode. I felt as if the Gods themselves had let us down.

How could this happen? Is there indeed justice left in this world? I felt deeply betrayed. But even more was the thought that the truth may be more bitter than the mere arrest of a seer.

Firstly then, what does this tell us about the separation of church and state, heldly dearly in most modern nations. Heads of states, including one currenet and two former Presidents of the US visited Pope John Paul II's funeral. Here Church and State were not separated; they were fused together in a Holy alliance. There are many issues that are of great concern to US catholics but the US government has never tried to step in and impose its will. When it tried to do, as in the Terry Schiavo case, it was soundly rebuffed by the US courts and the highest court of the land.

Do Hindus hold such principles dear? Is government meddling too much into Hindu religious affairs and places of worship? What can we do to forge a new path that cames through the next millennium? What indeed are some of the critical issues facing religion, especially Hinduism?

I can list many more questions that come to my mind but the foremost to me was the principle of separation of church and state. Let me stop here now. I look forward to you views on this and other points of interest and concern shared by Hindus across the globe.

Anamika
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Apr 28, 2005 - 08:26   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Mr.Laxmanan,
Appreciate your concern towards Hinduism and preserving it's ethics.

How does it pain you if a person who has been cheating an entire community of people, betray them and their beliefs and indulge himself in criminal activities? How does it stop you from reciting your prayers ? Do u recite your prayers on behalf of someone ?

"The windmills of God grind slow, but sure".

Between before we go further into this topic of Hinduism and the government's indulgence into it's affairs, I would like to know whether you are in India or in anyother country?

It makes sense talk about the government, it's indulgence into religious affairs etc,.. if we are tax payers for that governement.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Apr 28, 2005 - 12:19   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Anamika:

Thanks for your remarks. I just wanted you to know that I am a Hindu (an accident of birth, really) regardless where I am located on this globe. As for the criminality of the 'person' you are referring to, I know nothing.

I pray not only for myself but for my family, for friends, my fellow human beings, and yes, sometimes also for the country as whole. If God betrays humans, humans have every right to let God know how they fail.

Even Narada cursed Narayana when He (Narayana) played a joke on him (Narada). This is the reason Narayana had to incarnate himself as Rama and seek the help of monkey lords like Sugreeva and Hanumaan.

My right to worship and the way I worship, without government interference, is paramount and is one of the fundamental human rights. Again this transcends national boundaries.

I sincerely hope more concerte "proof" is offered regarding the criminal acts that you are alluding to in your message. Then the world can really judge. At present, IMHO, it is all innuendo and gossip.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Apr 28, 2005 - 14:10   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Anamika:

Please note the following from my first post.

Some have viewed Sir Jayendra Saraswati's Loukikam as a needless digress from his religious duties - see last sentence of the article "The Sankaracharya Affair", link given below.

http://www.chennaionline.com/society/11sankaracharya02.asp

Thus, the doctrine of separation of church and state is a double-edged sword. It also demands that religious leaders should not meddle in worldly affairs - Loukikam - and leave this to the politicians.

V. J. Laxmanan
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May 15, 2005 - 22:20   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear All:

I just came across a very interesting article "Why strict churches are strong" by Judith Shulevitz

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118313/

When he was a cardinal, Pope Benedict XVI told a German journalist that the future of the Catholic Church lies in smaller churches made up of more dedicated followers — Christianity that is "characterized more by the mustard seed," as he put it.

Another notewrothy point is the following....

....with the reforms of Vatican II, the Mass began to be said in the vernacular and priests and nuns shed their otherworldly clothes. Would-be reformers blame church officials' refusal to yield to popular opinion on contraception, homosexuality, and priestly celibacy.

"The Catholic church may have managed to arrive at a remarkable, 'worst-of-both-worlds' position," he writes, "discarding cherished distinctiveness in the areas of liturgy, theology, and lifestyle, while at the same time maintaining the very demands that its members and clergy are least willing to accept."

Is faith simply a matter of picking and choosing what is convenient? Or, does it come from trying to adhere to what is right inspite of all the hurdles and difficulties that one must face?

Winky Pig
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Be Here Now ribbon: http://www.funkyribbons.com

karlo
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Dear All

Please can you help me to find DVD -Vishwamitra-
I am in U.K (Sheffield) and it should be region 2.

All the best

jj vish
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Dear Barry,

I accidently came across your message in this
"https://peopleinaction.com/board/2/840.html"
through search engine. Fortunately my interest is same as yours.

The sapta rishis you mentioned are exactly for this Manu
(Manvantara). A kalpa consists of 14 Manus. The present Manu is the 7th. The sapta rishos changes with the change in Manu.

Coming to your interest in Nadi sastra, I actually saw my Nadi readings in places in Tamil nadu.
I saw the readings wrote for me by Vashista, Agastya, Bhrighu and SivaVakiyar.
Of this ShivaVakiyar is said to be the most accurate of all Nadis.

They predict the important events of the indvidual.

You have to approach Vaitheeswaran Koil in TamilNadu where a large number of Palm leaves written by Rishis are found there.

Some are found in Chennai (Madras), Kanchipuram...

So many Rishis have written nadis for those they know they will approach nadi for their life prediction.

Jai

4d-Don
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Heads up Meditators....

Here are quotes from the Sahaj Marg (Shri Ram Chandra Mission) Material...who call their practice "meditation":

On Chosing a Master

On Chosing a Guru, Chariji in his book: Heart of the Lion, states:

....So I repeat, the Guru is the only friend. In fact, I have said this so often, that in the Sufi philosophy, the Guru is called Friend. "The Friend is coming". Because he is the only fellow who can give his life for you. He is the only fellow, therefore, to whom you must hand over totally, a Power of Attorney....."Do with me as you think I deserve to be done with. Kick me when I have to be kicked. Beat me when I have to be beaten. Curse me when I have to be cursed. But make of me what you think I should be eventually, because only you can do it."

"So once more I say this in all humility....if you must have a Master, find a fellow who is capable of, you know, throwing you around, beating you up, cutting you to pieces. Remember Parushurama's father and the stern test that young boy had to make for obedience...."Kill your Mother". "Yes"..."

"He pulled out the sword and cut off her head. He said, "I am pleased with you my son. Ask for anything you want." He said, "I want my mother alive." And He said, "So be it." and she got up and walked off. The Guru is the Master, when you say of destiny, it means life and death. He must be the Master of your life as he must be the Master of your death."

On HOMOSEXUALITY, the Master of this system in a recent speech said: "Unlike the churches of the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself."...Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it."

On FREEDOM:

On Freedom, in Salient Points of Sahaj Marg, it states that with Sahaj Marg:

"...We have voluntarily, whole-heartedly and devotedly surrendered it to the Master of our Soul. To those who are fortunate enough to arrive at this stage, the Master is no longer a guide for spirituality alone. He has now become the Master of one's life in all it's aspects of existence. He becomes the father, the mother, the son, the teacher, the doctor, in fact, there is no role that He does not play in the abhyasi's life. He has taken total charge of the abhyasi. So we see that only our surrendering to Him can bring about a state where He can take total charge of us!"

On IDOLATRY:

"Sahaj Marg has nowhere said temple worship is wrong, nor does Master expressly forbid idol worship" ....To other abhyasis, the preceptor has become such an idol. I believe that any abhyasi who says, "my preceptor" when talking about the preceptor who is serving him has fallen into this form of idol worship. Here it is the preceptor who has been transformed into an idol, or idolised. Here again the Master may be in the background, but is that Master's rightful place?

"So Master's message is quite clear. All credit goes to our Master. When we give credit where it is not due, that too is a form of idol worship. We should beware of falling into such errors......."

On PHILOSOPHY:

On the Philosophy of Sahaj Marg, Chari in a speech on New Year's Day, 2005 at Babuji Memorial Ashram, Manapakkam, INDIA, said: "There is no room for philosophy in speeches of Sahaj Marg. In fact, Sahaj Marg has no philosophy. It does not rest on any philosophy. It is neither advaita nor dvaita nor vishishta advaita."

Reasearch on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaj_Marg

or at:

* Inner Circle of SRCM-USA
* Poxy SRCM- Switzerland
* Mielk - A French Analysis- France-Fr. & Eng.
* The Desperate Abhyasi-France-Fr. & Eng.


4d-Don

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Heads up meditators (Sahaj Marg)

Sahaj Marg (Shri Ram Chandra Mission)
on other Religions...

On other Religions, although Sahaj Marg claims to "erase Samskaras" (imprint on the soul), in a speech in Denmark in Nov. 2005, the current Master stated that abhyasis were lucky. If they were in religion, he said, they would have to go to church and "you know", tell lies in that "wonderful place called the confessional". “Lord, forgive me for what I have done this week.” And there would be an equally sinful priest on the other side of the curtain saying, “In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I absolve you of your sins.” Something that according to Chariji, he has no power to do. No man on earth has power, he states, to absolve you of your sins except two people: one, oneself, and the other, God. In between there is nobody who can do it, he stated. Then he added, that is why religion is useless, that is why religion has failed. That’s why, the Master stated, the abhyasis are all there, not in church.

...and later:

Chariji stated that he was no Christ, ("you know";), to crucify himself on the cross for all of them. Did they think Christ was a wise man, he asked, that he (Christ) became crucified so that forever and ever after humanity would be absolved of its sins? "I don’t think so", he said. It gave people more license for indulgence. But after all, he said, they have been forgiven two thousand years ago for what they are going to do today, what their children were going to do ten years hence. He said that he did not think he (Christ) was wise. According to Chariji,he (Christ)left no room, no incentive for human beings to change, become moral, become spiritual. He said that they were all happy that they had a Christ who got crucified. He added that none of us weep for Christ and that we were happy. “God bless him,” we say, which is another blasphemy. He then said that the abhyasis need blessings, not Christ.

At a preceptors' seminar in January, 2001, Chariji stated:

"In the Indian scene, the Hindus and Hinduism is corrupt. God is personified as somebody who can be bribed with gifts, with so called prasads - offering temptation of Heaven which fact Babuji emphasized in His teachings, saying that religions depends on two instruments - temptation and fear."

"I am afraid that Sahaj Marg is suffering in this way because even when Christian people become abhyasis and preceptors, they somehow, somewhere along the way seem to lose this idea of love, charity, compassion, faith and become preceptors. So what Spirituality offers and can deliver, our priesthood, I would categorize you as, say temporarily as priesthood - they destroy."

Written in the Sahaj Marg material: ABHYASI'S QUESTION:"..... "Why do I have to give up my existing religious practices....."

MASTER'S ANSWER: "All religious practice involve the worship of God as being outside us. It is called Bahya Upachara in Sanskrit. Spirituality puts God where HE really is - inside the human heart, and indeed at the heart of every created thing, as Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita. One cannot mix the two. In the Vedas Murthy Pooja is called the lowest form of worship. Mantra is only a way of pleasing the mind, and bhajans please the senses, while giving the illusion of being a form of worship. I trust that this will be satisfactory. If people have more questions, they should be encouraged to read the Gita slowly, and try to understand it. Love to all."

According to the teaching of this system, God is simple, and therefore, the way to reach Him must be simple. On the Nature of the Divine, when asked why in all the written material, God was referred to as "Him", Chariji replied: "God is Male, Nature is female." SMRTI

Research this topic at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaj_Marg

or at:

Websites of associations with similar or same lineage as Shri Ram Chandra Mission:

* Insitute for Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC)
* Yogabhyas
* Naqsh MuMRa


Blogs of dissociated, questioning and/or ex-abhyasis:

* Inner Circle of SRCM-USA
* Poxy SRCM- Switzerland
* Mielk - A French Analysis- France-Fr. & Eng.
* The Desperate Abhyasi-France-Fr. & Eng.

Safely tucked inside the ONE God where we live.

Don

Dawn Moreno
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Okay, I do not intend to be argumentative but God created animals male and female and we see homosexuality among the animal kingdom? God gave free will as well. Also, think back to your school days, do you remember the kid that was always terrible in sports, feminine, and teased mercilessly for it? As he got older, he was interested more in the arts, etc. .. I'm not saying all gay people fit this mold, but my point being that it is very possible at birth that someone is programmed to be gay. God didn't create people to be born with cleft palate but we see that and don't blame the person.

In my opinion, God is less concerned about what people do in their bedroom w/ consenting adults as he is with how a person's heart is toward him and their neighbor. It's about love and compassion not what kind of sex a person enjoys.

Esoterica
http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/mandala.html

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