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jj vish
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Nov 05, 2005 - 09:01   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Barry,

I accidently came across your message in this
"http://peopleinaction.com/board/2/840.html"
through search engine. Fortunately my interest is same as yours.

The sapta rishis you mentioned are exactly for this Manu
(Manvantara). A kalpa consists of 14 Manus. The present Manu is the 7th. The sapta rishos changes with the change in Manu.

Coming to your interest in Nadi sastra, I actually saw my Nadi readings in places in Tamil nadu.
I saw the readings wrote for me by Vashista, Agastya, Bhrighu and SivaVakiyar.
Of this ShivaVakiyar is said to be the most accurate of all Nadis.

They predict the important events of the indvidual.

You have to approach Vaitheeswaran Koil in TamilNadu where a large number of Palm leaves written by Rishis are found there.

Some are found in Chennai (Madras), Kanchipuram...

So many Rishis have written nadis for those they know they will approach nadi for their life prediction.

Jai

4d-Don
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Sep 17, 2006 - 18:36   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Heads up Meditators....

Here are quotes from the Sahaj Marg (Shri Ram Chandra Mission) Material...who call their practice "meditation":

On Chosing a Master

On Chosing a Guru, Chariji in his book: Heart of the Lion, states:

....So I repeat, the Guru is the only friend. In fact, I have said this so often, that in the Sufi philosophy, the Guru is called Friend. "The Friend is coming". Because he is the only fellow who can give his life for you. He is the only fellow, therefore, to whom you must hand over totally, a Power of Attorney....."Do with me as you think I deserve to be done with. Kick me when I have to be kicked. Beat me when I have to be beaten. Curse me when I have to be cursed. But make of me what you think I should be eventually, because only you can do it."

"So once more I say this in all humility....if you must have a Master, find a fellow who is capable of, you know, throwing you around, beating you up, cutting you to pieces. Remember Parushurama's father and the stern test that young boy had to make for obedience...."Kill your Mother". "Yes"..."

"He pulled out the sword and cut off her head. He said, "I am pleased with you my son. Ask for anything you want." He said, "I want my mother alive." And He said, "So be it." and she got up and walked off. The Guru is the Master, when you say of destiny, it means life and death. He must be the Master of your life as he must be the Master of your death."

On HOMOSEXUALITY, the Master of this system in a recent speech said: "Unlike the churches of the world, we don’t perform same-sex marriages. That is unnatural. God did not intend it to be thus. Please excuse me, it is a personal comment, it is not Sahaj Marg. But there are things, as Babuji Maharaj said, “If God did not want two sexes, he could have as well created one and seen that the world propagated by itself."...Why two sexes? Not so that one sex should marry among themselves, isn’t it? So, what the church may allow, I don’t have to condone or accept. To me, it is a very blatant misuse of so-called privileges of the human being, fundamental rights, et cetera. Of course, if you claim it is your fundamental right to go the dogs, so be it! Even God cannot stop it."

On FREEDOM:

On Freedom, in Salient Points of Sahaj Marg, it states that with Sahaj Marg:

"...We have voluntarily, whole-heartedly and devotedly surrendered it to the Master of our Soul. To those who are fortunate enough to arrive at this stage, the Master is no longer a guide for spirituality alone. He has now become the Master of one's life in all it's aspects of existence. He becomes the father, the mother, the son, the teacher, the doctor, in fact, there is no role that He does not play in the abhyasi's life. He has taken total charge of the abhyasi. So we see that only our surrendering to Him can bring about a state where He can take total charge of us!"

On IDOLATRY:

"Sahaj Marg has nowhere said temple worship is wrong, nor does Master expressly forbid idol worship" ....To other abhyasis, the preceptor has become such an idol. I believe that any abhyasi who says, "my preceptor" when talking about the preceptor who is serving him has fallen into this form of idol worship. Here it is the preceptor who has been transformed into an idol, or idolised. Here again the Master may be in the background, but is that Master's rightful place?

"So Master's message is quite clear. All credit goes to our Master. When we give credit where it is not due, that too is a form of idol worship. We should beware of falling into such errors......."

On PHILOSOPHY:

On the Philosophy of Sahaj Marg, Chari in a speech on New Year's Day, 2005 at Babuji Memorial Ashram, Manapakkam, INDIA, said: "There is no room for philosophy in speeches of Sahaj Marg. In fact, Sahaj Marg has no philosophy. It does not rest on any philosophy. It is neither advaita nor dvaita nor vishishta advaita."

Reasearch on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaj_Marg

or at:

* Inner Circle of SRCM-USA
* Poxy SRCM- Switzerland
* Mielk - A French Analysis- France-Fr. & Eng.
* The Desperate Abhyasi-France-Fr. & Eng.


4d-Don

4d-don
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Sep 17, 2006 - 18:43   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Heads up meditators (Sahaj Marg)

Sahaj Marg (Shri Ram Chandra Mission)
on other Religions...

On other Religions, although Sahaj Marg claims to "erase Samskaras" (imprint on the soul), in a speech in Denmark in Nov. 2005, the current Master stated that abhyasis were lucky. If they were in religion, he said, they would have to go to church and "you know", tell lies in that "wonderful place called the confessional". “Lord, forgive me for what I have done this week.” And there would be an equally sinful priest on the other side of the curtain saying, “In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I absolve you of your sins.” Something that according to Chariji, he has no power to do. No man on earth has power, he states, to absolve you of your sins except two people: one, oneself, and the other, God. In between there is nobody who can do it, he stated. Then he added, that is why religion is useless, that is why religion has failed. That’s why, the Master stated, the abhyasis are all there, not in church.

...and later:

Chariji stated that he was no Christ, ("you know";), to crucify himself on the cross for all of them. Did they think Christ was a wise man, he asked, that he (Christ) became crucified so that forever and ever after humanity would be absolved of its sins? "I don’t think so", he said. It gave people more license for indulgence. But after all, he said, they have been forgiven two thousand years ago for what they are going to do today, what their children were going to do ten years hence. He said that he did not think he (Christ) was wise. According to Chariji,he (Christ)left no room, no incentive for human beings to change, become moral, become spiritual. He said that they were all happy that they had a Christ who got crucified. He added that none of us weep for Christ and that we were happy. “God bless him,” we say, which is another blasphemy. He then said that the abhyasis need blessings, not Christ.

At a preceptors' seminar in January, 2001, Chariji stated:

"In the Indian scene, the Hindus and Hinduism is corrupt. God is personified as somebody who can be bribed with gifts, with so called prasads - offering temptation of Heaven which fact Babuji emphasized in His teachings, saying that religions depends on two instruments - temptation and fear."

"I am afraid that Sahaj Marg is suffering in this way because even when Christian people become abhyasis and preceptors, they somehow, somewhere along the way seem to lose this idea of love, charity, compassion, faith and become preceptors. So what Spirituality offers and can deliver, our priesthood, I would categorize you as, say temporarily as priesthood - they destroy."

Written in the Sahaj Marg material: ABHYASI'S QUESTION:"..... "Why do I have to give up my existing religious practices....."

MASTER'S ANSWER: "All religious practice involve the worship of God as being outside us. It is called Bahya Upachara in Sanskrit. Spirituality puts God where HE really is - inside the human heart, and indeed at the heart of every created thing, as Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita. One cannot mix the two. In the Vedas Murthy Pooja is called the lowest form of worship. Mantra is only a way of pleasing the mind, and bhajans please the senses, while giving the illusion of being a form of worship. I trust that this will be satisfactory. If people have more questions, they should be encouraged to read the Gita slowly, and try to understand it. Love to all."

According to the teaching of this system, God is simple, and therefore, the way to reach Him must be simple. On the Nature of the Divine, when asked why in all the written material, God was referred to as "Him", Chariji replied: "God is Male, Nature is female." SMRTI

Research this topic at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaj_Marg

or at:

Websites of associations with similar or same lineage as Shri Ram Chandra Mission:

* Insitute for Ram Chandra Consciousness (ISRC)
* Yogabhyas
* Naqsh MuMRa


Blogs of dissociated, questioning and/or ex-abhyasis:

* Inner Circle of SRCM-USA
* Poxy SRCM- Switzerland
* Mielk - A French Analysis- France-Fr. & Eng.
* The Desperate Abhyasi-France-Fr. & Eng.

Safely tucked inside the ONE God where we live.

Don

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