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David Lewis
Jun 19, 1997 - 10:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Local Exchange Trading Scheme

The Blackmore Vale Skills Exchange, a LETS group based round
Shaftesbury in Dorset has been threatened by the District Council
who are penalising a member for offering to part-pay his rates in LETS
units. Has anyone any experience of dealing with the authorities in
this type of dispute?

Richard streeter
Jan 09, 2000 - 11:00   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Re: Local Exchange Trading Scheme

Hello, I have been trying to find out some info on lets in the south west dorset area i.e. weymouth is there a database or appropriate website that I can view. Would be gratefull for any hints or a contact adress...cheers

Carol Cross, PhD
Sep 25, 2000 - 11:01   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
A Sustainable Planetary Economy

Dear Environmentalist

The NuParadigm Institute is dedicated to creating a Sustainable Planetary Economy. This will require a worldwide community of dedicated environmental entrepreneurs, facilitators, nonprofit organizations, corporations, ecospiritual leaders, and community members. I am interested in knowing more about your community and
how it can fit into our goals of creating a Sustainable Planetary Economy. I would be interested in putting a link to your group on our page.

We would like to place a link from your group on our page and would like to request that we be able to place a link to our site on your page.

We invite you to go to our page on the NuParadigm Institute at
http://home.earthlink.net/~itidc/nupindex.htm on the NuParadigm Institute and at
http://home.earthlink.net/~itidc/creating.htm on creating a Sustainable Planetary
Economy.

We all need to work together to create a world where all of us can have a decent quality of life and our planet is healed and renewed.

Yours sincerely,

Carol Cross, Ph.D.
Cofounder, the NuParadigm Institute
itidc@earthlink.net

Together we can create a Sustainable Planetary Economy

People in Action
Sep 25, 2000 - 21:43   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
A link to NuParadigm Institute has been added to the new section:

People in Action: Sustainable Economy
http://peopleinaction.com/sustainableeconomy

Good luck with your good work.

seditionist#7
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Sep 08, 2004 - 08:31   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
To understand why the economy in America is not doing well, we must first understand how the economy works, as in the mechanics of capitalism and what this entails. There are many factors, which show without a doubt that capitalism is beginning to reach a point of saturation, of markets abroad and at home. There also happen to be a rash of corporate and governmental decision that would lead one to believe that capitalism in America no longer has the advantage of labor, or capital. Simply put, America is beginning to drown in a tactic of over-saturation that it used to gain control of commercial markets in the first place.
Capitalism is a system in which competition is complete, where the fittest organization (the one with either the capital or labor advantage) will gain a controlling stake of the market. In this system, efficiency is essential, as it keeps down the labor costs, and capital is essential in that the more of a product that is produced, the cheaper the cost. And so, capitalism lends itself to large assembly line operations. This gradually makes labor more and more specialized, and in many cases, less and less valuable.
Capitalism must be ever expanding in order to be equitable, since the profit it garners comes from an advantage over the competition. For years America had the advantage because it would cost more to produce a good in a foreign location than it would to produce it at home, and sell it either at home, or abroad. Eventually, the technological gap is closed, and the cost of transportation is continuing to drop. In other words, America is the ripe new market for capitalists to profit from. Just not for Americans.
The signs of this are not tremendously hard to see if you can look past propagandist smokescreens. The reason why corporations keep on outsourcing labor is because American markets have become incredibly saturated. To even hope to compete in a mainstream American market a company must have hundreds of millions of dollars in capital. There is very little room for expansion, and quick growth is not possible except in niche markets. This creates a situation where corporations must find new markets, or try to more efficiently resaturate current markets by getting cheaper labor. Government is thus forced to lower environmental restrictions, give out lucrative contracts, and make many policies that favor the holders of capital.
The next ten years is going to be a terrible economic disappointment for Americans. China, India, and South America can all produce the same goods for less money. Capital will seek the most profitable path, and the American worker will see his influence in the global economy evaporate. In time, labor wages will equal out, probably with Americans earning less, and other laborers around the world making much more. It is the mistaken impression of economists and the Bush Administration that the economy will just get better, or that by lowering our labor standards the situation will go away. It won’t.
It is my impression that within 50 years, all world markets will be saturated. And what then? What do we do, when in the farthest corners of the globe one can drink a coke, eat a big mac, and shop at wal mart? We basically have no way to avoid this situation. If we stop outsourcing and buying from places like China, our corporations will lose massive amounts of money. Capital does not go against the grain. And what will happen at this point? Well, if not a complete economic crash, than certainly a retooling, and shrinking of all major markets.

Magnets
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Oct 17, 2004 - 06:50   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
seditionist#7 et al:

Please read the Space Mining article at http://www.iinotia.com for a discussion of the real problem. We simply need to find a way to create new value by actually using the intelligence of our children rather than have them manage a Wal-Mart store, etc.

While the project described in the Space Mining article is massive, long-term and would never pass the short-term perspective of our politicians (they are too immature to even be able to agree on the next 20 years in space), perhaps there are other projects. Genetics for example, might have been such an example but the government seed money is being held captive to religious beliefs. I wonder what a supreme being would think if it knew that stem cell sources were more important than using human intelligence to fix larger long-term existing creations?

Another topic might be the new sub-orbital space industry that has a chance to form. How many hundreds of billions of dollars can be collected and circulated through our economy?

You said, "What do we do, when in the farthest corners of the globe one can drink a coke, eat a big mac, and shop at wal mart? We basically have no way to avoid this situation.". But that is simply not true. What we need to do is what we've always done in the past. We need to invent the future. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we seem to be in a little bit of a rut. Perhaps it was the dotcom/telecom bust on Wall Street. Perhaps it was something else. I know we are hurting our future by not going full speed forward on stem cell research. Genetics will be a high growth industry and the USA could have been the leader. We likely will be the leader in sub-orbital space. Perhaps we will be the leader in "hotels in space".

Even Wal-Mart can teach us lessons. If they can be low-cost leaders all over the world then that's another area we can be leaders.

But the one thing we can't do is throw up protections.

The main thing we need to do is invent, invent, invent. We need to fix so many things. We need to figure out how to value many things as well.

Every body part, and the body as a unit, are prime marketing targets - when we invent genetic fixes. Every home is a prime marketing target when we can sell viable solar panel systems that rid our homes of reliance on the electric company. Every person with $100,000 and eventually only $10,000 to spend will create a viable market for sub-orbital space trips. Every new car will be a hybrid and could be our market (currently the Japanese market) if our manufacturers would think that way instead of listening to the oil and, future, fuel-cell industries.

Every home will be a VoIP home and if our manufacturers could get their act in gear they could sell there as well. Or, they could lose that market by not being the low-price leader. Every solar panel home would have the potential of desiring rain barrels or cisterns and equipment to separate and capture hydrogen to refill fuel-cells for the following hybrid generation of cars that replaces the rest of the gasoline being used. And on and on.

But we might not get and keep any of that business if don't decide that increasing the use of our childrens' intelligence is an imperative. I've heard nothing from either of the presidential candidates to indicate new markets are critical to keeping the USA at or near the top.

What we don't need is stockmarket bubbles created during the watch of one administration and blamed upon another administration. What is productive about that in any way, shape or form? Our children need to design our new future. We haven't done a very good job of inventing that future over the last decade.

Caryn Brunelle
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Feb 22, 2005 - 13:57   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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Corrie Block
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Aug 01, 2008 - 19:19   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
When I was working with the World Bank, I spoke briefly with J.F. Rischard. He changed my view on capitalism. In the course of a single conversation, he laid out for me the economics of development. When we help the poor, investing in water, sanitation, healthcare and education, the global GDP goes up. Everyone wins. Now I’m convinced that the best way to make money is in development work.
-Corrie Block


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