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Krishnamurti and a student, by Asit Chandmal Philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti and physicist David Bohm in dialogue A child approaches Krishnaji with a flower at the end of his last talk (India, January 1986), which ends with silence, by Asit Chandmal Jiddu Krishnamurti



Karuna Pham
Oct 20, 2001 - 14:03   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
J.Krisnamurti is Lama Yeshe and is Maitraya Buddha?

Weare
Oct 20, 2001 - 15:51   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Here it is for our present situation:

On War
Text from The First and Last Freedom -Krisnamurti


"War is the spectacular and bloody projection of our everyday life, is it not? War is merely an outward expression of our inward state, an enlargement of our daily action. It is more spectacular, more bloody, more destructive, but it is the collective result of our individual activities. Therefore, you and I are responsible for war and what can we do to stop it? Obviously the ever-impending war cannot be stopped by you and me, because it is already in movement; it is already taking place, though at present chiefly on the psychological level. As it is already in movement, it cannot be stopped - the issues are too many, too great, and are already committed. But you and I, seeing that the house is on fire, can understand the causes of that fire, can go away from it and build in a new place with different materials that are not combustible, that will not produce other wars. That is all that we can do. You and I can see what creates wars, and if we are interested in stopping wars, then we can begin to transform ourselves, who are the causes of war.

"An American lady came to see me a couple of years ago, during the war. She said she had lost her son in Italy and that she had another son aged sixteen whom she wanted to save; so we talked the thing over. I suggested to her that to save her son she had to cease to be an American; she had to cease to be greedy, cease piling up wealth, seeking power, domination, and be morally simple - not merely simple in clothes, in outward things, but simple in her thoughts and feelings, in her relationships. She said, "That is too much.

"You are asking far too much. I cannot do it, because circumstances are too powerful for me to alter". Therefore she was responsible for the destruction of her son.

"Circumstances can be controlled by us, because we have created the circumstances. Society is the product of relationship, of yours and mine together. If we change in our relationship, society changes; merely to rely on legislation, on compulsion, for the transformation of outward society, while remaining inwardly corrupt, while continuing inwardly to seek power, position, domination, is to destroy the outward, however carefully and scientifically built. That which is inward is always overcoming the outward. What causes war - religious, political or economic? Obviously belief, either in nationalism, in an ideology, or in a particular dogma. If we had no belief but goodwill, love and consideration between us, then there would be no wars. But we are fed on beliefs, ideas and dogmas and therefore we breed discontent. The present crisis is of an exceptional nature and we as human beings must either pursue the path of constant conflict and continuous wars, which are the result of our everyday action, or else see the causes of war and turn our back upon them.

"Obviously what causes war is the desire for power, position, prestige, money; also the disease called nationalism, the worship of a flag; and the disease of organized religion, the worship of a dogma. All these are the causes of war; if you as an individual belong to any of the organized religions, if you are greedy for power, if you are envious, you are bound to produce a society which will result in destruction. So again it depends upon you and not on the leaders - not on so-called statesmen and all the rest of them. It depends upon you and me but we do not seem to realize that. If once we really felt the responsibility of our own actions, how quickly we could bring to an end all these wars, this appalling misery! But you see, we are indifferent. We have three meals a day, we have our jobs, we have our bank accounts, big or little, and we say, "For God's sake, don't disturb us, leave us alone". The higher up we are, the more we want security, permanency, tranquillity, the more we want to be left alone, to maintain things fixed as they are; but they cannot be maintained as they are, because there is nothing to maintain. Everything is disintegrating. We do not want to face these things, we do not want to face the fact that you and I are responsible for wars. You and I may talk about peace, have conferences, sit round a table and discuss, but inwardly, psychologically, we want power, posit1on, we are motivated by greed. We intrigue, we are nationalistic, we are bound by beliefs, by dogmas, for which we are willing to die and destroy each other. Do you think such men, you and I, can have peace in the world? To have peace, we must be peaceful; to live peacefully means not to create antagonism. Peace is not an ideal. To me, an ideal is merely an escape, an avoidance of what is, a contradiction of what is. An ideal prevents direct action upon what is. To have peace, we will have to love, we will have to begin not to live an ideal life but to see things as they are and act upon them, transform them. As long as each one of us is seeking psychological security, the physiological security we need - food, clothing and shelter - is destroyed. We are seeking psychological security, which does not exist; and we seek it, if we can, through power, through position, through titles, names - all of which is destroying physical security. This is an obvious fact, if you look at it.

"To bring about peace in the world, to stop all wars, there must be a revolution in the individual, in you and me. Economic revolution without this inward revolution is meaningless, for hunger is the result of the maladjustment of economic conditions produced by our psychological states - greed, envy, ill will and possessiveness. To put an end to sorrow, to hunger, to war, there must be a psychological revolution and few of us are willing to face that. We will discuss peace, plan legislation, create new leagues, the United Nations and so on and on; but we will not win peace because we will not give up our position, our authority, our money, our properties, our stupid lives. To rely on others is utterly futile; others cannot bring us peace. No leader is going to give us peace, no government, no army, no country. What will bring peace is inward transformation which will lead to outward action. Inward transformation is not isolation, is not a withdrawal from outward action. On the contrary, there can be right action only when there is right thinking and there is no right thinking when there is no self-knowledge. Without knowing yourself, there is no peace.

"To put an end to outward war, you must begin to put an end to war in yourself. Some of you will nod your heads and say, "I agree", and go outside and do exactly the same as you have been doing for the last ten or twenty years. Your agreement is merely verbal and has no significance, for the world's miseries and wars are not going to be stopped by your casual assent. They will be stopped only when you realize the danger, when you realize your responsibility, when you do not leave it to somebody else. If you realize the suffering, if you see the urgency of immediate action and do not postpone, then you will transform yourself; peace will come only when you yourself are peaceful, when you yourself are at peace with your neighbour."




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Liaim
Jan 26, 2002 - 22:52   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
U.G krisnarmurti is RAJAGOPAL.

Liaim.

Dr James Hunter
Feb 19, 2002 - 00:54   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi everyone. It is 2/18/2002 and I was reviewing the K messages. I have been studying his works for over 20 years and would be able to faciliate more deep discussion about K and his works and life with anyone out there. Krishnamurti films and videos are available from Ojai as well as many resources. Let me hear from you all.

Corey Saines
Sep 26, 2002 - 19:04   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
hi. I'm new to the study of buddhism. I've read a massive amount this summer and seen alot of refereces to J. Krishnamurti. Would anyone care to make me a reading list of his works with good starting points and essentials?

thanks alot!!

Corey Saines
(please email to core@tastyhomecookin.com)

haris rana
Apr 13, 2003 - 10:07   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
In my point of view the truth does not need any system for its manifestation....looking for a friend to discuss religion in a broader sence (particularly from india)
thank you!

Justino Pinho
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May 11, 2004 - 07:09   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Jiddu Krishnamurti Vcd's.
If you are interested in watching j.Krishnamurti talking in a variety of subjects...(over 80 Vcd's)
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Subbu
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Jun 15, 2004 - 18:43   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
hi.

if you can look close, there comes a pic about krishnamurti.

I think he was quite a human being. who experienced the other.

In his "Notebook," and in all his writings, he has identified the coming and going of the otherness.

So, he was sensitive enough to feel it for the first time. and then whenever that special energy comes and goes, he could feel it.
He could not describe in words because, it was indescribable...
or words are not sufficient to describe the wholeness of it.

Is that correct? has anyone felt like that before?

I would like to hear from you, if you have any comments on that.

kmsubbu22@yahoo.com

lee
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Jun 25, 2004 - 21:42   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Krishnamurti and budhism are two totally different things.Budhism is juiceless, krishnamurti is full of life.In budhism there is conflict between inner being and outer world.Outer world is taken as unimportant so only inner silence is important.By Krishnamurti all your senses must be fully awakened, so you can enjoy life:)take it fully in:)you are not in the cave dulling your senses or in world with dull senses, but having more fuller contact with world:)So even your silence is different.It is more alive because all your being is alive.Budha is not man worth even to think about one second.He was a man of dull senses so not alive in his being.Krishnamurti was alive.Dont never ever mix those guys, Budha is lifeless man absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, no life in him.So people who take budhism seriously become all lifeless, if there is inner silence in them, that silence also becomes lifeless.Make your senses more sharp and then you heart desire fullfills -you can take joy of life then every moment.Never talk to me that if you sit in your room and are silent in one moment its something special.It is a budha way.Go to crowded places and make your senses alive if you love somebody touch her with fully awakened senses so you can feel, you are alive:)drink water and feel fuller, eat with all senses alive.That`s a creative life, if you dance keep your senses alive, all your being is then different, don`t look for your inner silence in your room, if your senses are fully awakened all your mind is alive, hence all thoughts and feelings are also not disturbing your outward attention. This is the way to live live live live,never lose this,and Budha is dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am dancing:)Budha is dead:)with Jimmy Hendrix music:)

lee
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Jun 25, 2004 - 22:45   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
U.G. is the man of dull senses also.Having dead silence in him he never can touch life alive.You can:)he doesn´t enjoy you, he is proud of is inward silence.Look his face!This is the face of proud and dull man!Silent of course, but dull and proud!Perfect example of lifeless silence:)

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