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sheetal
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Mar 10, 2005 - 06:55   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
RE :Nadi Astrology,

I read the post regarding nadi astrology today. I had been to one nadi astrologer recently. He told me my past correctly but he was very vague in future predictions.
Before me my father had visited the same astrologer. He told my father about his daughter's life(i.e. my life), the past & present of which is perfect but then somehow there is a gap between his predictions about future both when he told my father & me too.
I respect the nadi astrology, no doubt but then too sensitive people should not go for it....b'coz it makes u more depressed, one loses enthusiasm and ambition in life as we always tend to say this "X" thing wont happen in my life as the nadi astrologer had said so, so why put efforts? Dont u think this hampers our growth? I am really confused about the nadi astrologers prediction b'coz i am going thru rough patch in my life and dont want to believe whatever the nadi astrologer has predicted b'coz we all live our lives on hope.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 10, 2005 - 07:27   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Sheetal:

Yes, one should not take the nadi readings (about the future) too seriously. If so, why take the predictions of the past seriously. Unfortunately, the past predictions are often accurate.

The best course then, in my humble opinion, is to persevere and perform your duties. Learn from your past, as predicted by the nadi. But perform your duties and do not expect anything. That is what the Bhagavad Gita teaches us, as I have noted in an earlier post.

karmani eva adhikaarus thay, maa phaleshu kadhaachana

Raj N
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Mar 10, 2005 - 17:44   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi Everyone,

I recently got this urge to check my Naadi reading. My father got his reading done when he was in his early twenties.Even to this day,both my mother and father remain amazed at the accuracy of the reading.The reader even predicted a good amount of my future just from my father's leaf alone which is accurate too.I would like get my reading done too. I was wondering if anyone knows about a good genuine (no fakes please)website which offers Naadi reading?I cannot personally go to a Naadi reader in Tamil Nadu because I live in north america.Has anyone tried the Naadi services available through IndiaInfo(Bangalore)?

Thanks.

Anamika
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Mar 16, 2005 - 07:34   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi All,
I got my Nadi read in a place in Chennai around 3 yrs back. The predictions that were made for past was exactly true. And the predictions he made for the future was also exactly correct.

I was a little apprehensive whether he is saying the truth or not and he gave the leaflets that had all my kandams.. I just browsed it and also saw the kandams..written in Tamil..

Anamika
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:15   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Its not entirely true that precession of equinoxes is not known in west .. in the indian paralance we have the traditional parashara kind of vedic literature which takes care of ayanamsha correction at the same time we also have what we call the sayana system which dosent take into account these corrections ..

Not taking ayanamsha into account can make perdictions difficult however character traits seem to however fit accurately ... right now the difference between sayana and niryana systems is around 22 degrees ... which is approximately 1 degree behind from all western chart placement (since each sign is 30 degrees) .. however we should also remember that this shift is uniformly applicable to all planets in a horoscope including the lagna ..
what this means is .. if my mars is in 6th house of aries in vedic horoscope ,.. then in a western horoscope will have mars in 6th house of pisces (it will however still be in aries if the planet is say placed in 26th degree of aries) .. if you notice both show that it is still in the 6th house .. hence whatever predictions you give for mars in 6th house will hold in both the systems ... The second issue to be considered is that transits are used heavily to give predictions and they somehow reduce the disadvantage of this ayanamsha difference ...

I dont think western astrology is a bunch of jokers .. and if you ask me .. vedic horoscopy is really good for predictions (outer life) .. and western horoscopy is good for understanding the personality (inner life) .. and since ur character traits determine what you are as a person and how ur life will react .. the difference between both the systems is often more to do with predetermined events (fate) vs free will (ability to change self in dealing with situations) ...

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:40   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Anamika:

The Western astrology schools DO NOT consider the precession of the equinox and the ayanamsa correction. There is no question about that.

Of course, precession of equinox has been known for more than 2500 years in the West, at the very least, but the Western astrologer do not correct for it, like Vedic astrologers do.

There are many books written by Westerners who have studied Vedic astrology and by Westerner astrolgers who use what is called the tropical zodiac.

Knowledge of something is one thing and the use of it another. These two matters should not be confused. Anyway, I started paying attention to the astrology only after I learned about how Vedic astrologers use. That's really the point I was making. Until I understood the ayanamsa and the science behind it, astrology was just a lot of hokum to me.

Finally, as far as future predictions being correct, I found just general and vague statements made by two of our posters here. If it is not too personal, what is the nature of the future predictions that have been found to be true? It would be nice to know.

In my case, I can state clearly that so far they have not proved to be of any value. Of course, they were very optimistic and good and so I am still filled with a lot of hope.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:51   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi All:

The following is a link to a nice article on the Precession of the Equinox. Newton talks about this phenomenon in his Principia and also provides calculations that give the exact magnitude of the precession (in agreement with actual observations).

http://www.crystalinks.com/precession.html

The last section entitled Age of Aquarius is a good example of the general anitpathy that most Western educated individuals feel towards astrology in general.

By and large Hindus, as a group, seem to place much more faith in astrology than any other religious group. Astrology is actually scorned upon by some leading religious faiths.

If you look at www.msn.com for example, you find astrology is listed under "Entertainment". Anyway, don't get me wrong. It all depends on what you wish to accomplish from such readings.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 16, 2005 - 16:13   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi All:

Just a brief note regarding the Sayana (without ayanamsa correction for precession) and Nirayana (with ayanamsa correction) schools used by Vedic astrologers to prepare horoscopes/charts.

I have a strong suspicion this may be influenced by Western astrology - after the Greeks and the Europeans came to India and imposed their way of thinking.

Also, nowadays, I see Vedic astrologers talking about the position of Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, in the horoscopes. There is no mention of these planets in any of the Hindu scriptures.

I respect Vedic astrology in as much as I consider it to be revealed scriptures with basis in the Vedas. If not, I really do not care. Vedic astrologer should stick to what is given in scriptural writings. To some extent, Nadi reading, although very mysterious to me, seems to have scriptural basis. So, when predictions come wrong, I look at it not as a problem with Nadi as a "science" but as a problem with the Nadi reader as an ordinary human being with limitations.

Faith ultimately governs all such actions when we seek either the (Vedic/Western) astrologer or the Nadi readers. It is just like therapy and psychological counseling that is practiced widely in Western countries to help people cope with their problems in life. I feel the Vedic astrologer and Nadi reader play much the same role in Hindu society as these counselors do.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 16, 2005 - 17:28   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi All:

May be "imposed" their way of thinking is too strong a remark (as I stated in my last post). I will take that back.

I am sure there was a fruitful exchange of ideas, but in the end the Western viewpoint prevailed, since they were the rulers, afterall.

So, just like other things Western that were adopted by Indians (after the British came to India), I think the legacy of Alexander's invasion of India (circa 320 B. C.) is to be found in the Sayana charts. Alexander did leave behind a general named Selyucas (I may have misspelt it). He was defeated by Chandragupta Maurya and then Chandragupta married Selycas' daughter. Scholarly contacts between India and ancient Greece, of course, predate even Alexander's invasion.

So, there was indeed an "exhcange" of ideas and thus, I believe, some Vedic astrologers started using the Sayana charts and adopted many other Western astrological methods.

For example, at least in the books that I have read, the exact degree of the planetary position is not that important in the Vedic astrological tradition. Even if Jupiter has just entered the 7th house (say by 1 degree out of 30 degrees), he is considered to be entirely in the house. It is believed that the full benefits of Jupiter in the 7th house are felt, just as if Jupiter was centered in the 7th house. (Prince Charles' horoscope is an interesting example of this. The ayanamsa correction affects the position of Jupiter - very important for someone born to be King. But, to date, he is still not a King! It is also important for married life. Just look what he has gone through.)

Western astrology, on the other hand, gives a great deal of importance to exact calculations of planetary positions.

But then, alas, they don't make the ayanamsa correction for the precession of the equinoxes! This is the paradox of Western astrology, at least in my mind.

V. J. Laxmanan
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Mar 17, 2005 - 01:44   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Dear Raj N:

A very reputed Nadi Reader (Mr. A. N. K. Swami) from Tamilnadu visits The Parashakthi Temple in Pontiac, Michigan, each year, once or twice.

You can contact them at the following address/telephone number. Please also check their website for info.

Email: omshakthi@parashakthitemple.org

Address:

PARASHAKTHI TEMPLE
551 West Kennett, Pontiac, MI

Telephone: 248-322-4731

Website: www.parashakthitemple.org

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