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Violet
Sep 22, 2001 - 23:36   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Blood thirsty people make all kinds of excuse for eating meat.
Kosher slaughter or not, civilized compassionate people never eat animal flesh.
When everytime people ask me 'how to stop eating meat.' I tell them to visit slaughterhouses and look into eyes of animals, smell blood, hear their scream.
Most people are going to freak out and stop eating meat after this experience in slaughterhouses.
I have my own animal rights online forum and if you are interested to visit my forum, please type http://www.delphi.com/animalrights7
Anybody who is serious about animal rights can post to my forum but vivisectors, trappers, hunters, who promote animal cruelty is not welcome.

Adam
Oct 02, 2001 - 12:57   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Judaism or Christianity, Kosher or non-Kosher, one thing I'm pretty sure of:
Whatever/ whoever brought animals onto this planet, never had slaughterhouses or factory farming in mind.

We are not instinct-driven predators, we are humans.
As such, we possess superior mental abilities.
Let's use that superiority to make a choice, the choice of kindness; and of life.
Slaughter is evil. We don't need meat to survive; no biblical argument could possibly convince me that we were designed as meat eating creatures.

Instead of contemplating which slaughter method is more merciful, how about just letting them live?

YNFNE
Nov 01, 2001 - 11:54   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi, we are doing a "No to Animal Cruelty" in any form leaflet for use in schools, covering Labs, Pets, Wild Animals and food for religion.

We are part of the "British" National Front find us under "Young" at www.nfne.co.uk.

While the NF have been Planet friendly people, even before the "Greens" in the UK existed and will support other parties in issues we feel important, regardless of left or right.

It is our concern apart from the "Slaughter" in halal and kosher, that some rear parts of these animals are sold off, as Normal meat in some chains and some schools serve up halal or cosher as normal.

We also feel if people had to kill the animal themselves to eat, there would be more vegetarians.

We are also looking for some good links for info, for further reading.

Cheers

Sadzida Herenda
Dec 07, 2001 - 15:59   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Using religious arguments or any other ones by those who continue to eat meat covers up the real fact, which is - they like the taste or are used to it, or even worse they haven't stopped to think about the process that's involved in obtaining a steak, burger and so on...

Many a book has been written on the subject of why we humans do not need to eat meat, and we all know that animal protein is nothing but second hand plant protein, so why not deal with the real issue: food CHOICES, and make those choices a conscious decision.

Of course, when you tackle a subject like this you can't help but also touch on consumerism, globalisation of all sorts, and inequalities in wealth distribution - it IS all connected.

It's more than sad that majority of homo sapiens who consider themselves to be 'higher' than the fellow creatures kill for the taste of the food not for the survival...

Kosher or not - that's not the point. Why think of doing it in the first place?

Pets Alive
Apr 15, 2002 - 00:48   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
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R. Callaghan
Jul 16, 2002 - 14:38   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Kosher slaughter and halal slaughter are exactly the same thing--the most humane way to slaughter animals. The only difference is that the slaughterer says a Muslim prayer before halal slaughter. It is much better than the usual meathods of slaughter. You are simply ignorant if you think this isn't true.

I, however, am vegetarian. Not because of worries about killing cattle--they are prey animals and the way they die by predators in the wild is far more painful--they're often eaten while still alive. I don't like the way they're kept (that's what's inhumane--stalls and feedlots, etc.) and I don't like the way the mass production of them affects the planet.

I also don't like the mass production of humans. We need to cut the birth rate!

Angie
Sep 09, 2002 - 15:29   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
When you were a child and you heard things from "grown-ups" that you didn't understand, you probably trusted that they had the answers, that you were being told these things from people who actually understood and had accurate explanations of what they were saying. For example when you found out "where meat came from" and couldn't believe that we humans kill the other animals and that's where we get our food, but perhaps you were told "that's what they're for - that's what animals were put here for". You may have been given a vague religious explanation. Maybe you still didn't understand, and maybe you felt sad, but you probably eventually trusted that the grown-ups were right, and that you would understand when you were older. But, did you ever really get those answers, or did you just stop asking questions, stop feeling? That's the same thing that the "grown-ups" had done, and in reality there never was a good explanation to give. Even if people genuinely believe based on any religion that they should eat other animals, I doubt that it's fear that they'll be struck down I doubt that's what stops them from giving up meat. It's selfishness. If a person wants to choose a belief and they don't base their belief on compassion, they shouldn't be given the "compassion" to have the freedom to act on their belief. Most humans complain about life when it becomes dull, when they're running low on money, or when they don't feel loved or appreciated. Even in these situations, most of these people have things infinitely better than the animals they enslave, torture, slaughter, and eat. Did you know that one of the strongest drives in nearly every animal species is to play? See, animals want a full life, they can appreciate a full life, but instead these animals have no life at all, unless it serves humans - and in such a base way as meat, and in the case of battery farm, money. It's wrong, and for people who don't believe me, they should ask themselves if they really want the real answers - the ones to the questions they may have asked as children - or if they simply refuse to do what is right if it means changing. If they do want to truly know what they should do and they look with any compassion they'll realize very soon that animals cannot continue to be treated as they are. If, however, they simply don't care or won't see, it's the treatment of humans that must change - and they must not be allowed to make this choice any longer.

Arnold Ziffel
Dec 04, 2002 - 00:06   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
most of you just don't get it... not saying that I do either.

being farm raised may be my inherent bias, but i seriously doubt if the majority of the "don't eat the poor lil critters" people have actually raised their own food, let alone been outside their city for more than the 2 weeks at a National Park to oogle Bambis on vacation.

you people just don't have a grip on reality. you have a nice dream utopia, but that is what it is.

Nature is a food chain. We, by virtue of intelligence and tool using capability are at the top of the existing food chain on Earth. (who knows what else exists outside our solar system and might want to eat the 6 billion plus fat human critters ;> )

In my humble meat eaters opinion what needs to be done is humane management of food critters. From stopping the depletion of the oceans fisheries with wasteful destructive harvesting techniques to intelligent management of drug and hormonal treatments of animals to humane "farming" conditions to humane harvesting. we are doing better than our ancestors and hopefully our progeny will do even better.

religious rituals are, well, just weird. people do and eat the damndest things... and nothing anyone can do will change that unless you want a bleak totalitarian world government.

Man must be a better shepherd of this planet or we will eventually destroy it. Not in our lifetimes, but not that far off either. Concentrate on that, not on alienating those that do not share your beliefs. Find the common ground.

just remember this -people will eat people if they get hungry enough... so don't expect the human race to fit your idea of utopia, no matter what it is.

my utopia would have most of south america and most of africa as world wildlife preserves and humans having to deal with their overpopulation by moving off planet...

fat chance of that one, eh?

and some of you think humans will become herbivores... (anyone want a grub worm with that artichoke?) hehehe

strange world it is ;)

AL
Dec 17, 2002 - 17:59   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
To Arnold Ziffel,
I was trying to think of something to say but you said it exactly right. NOw that I have stumbled on to this forum I am fleeing it quickly. Too many utopians here.

Darryl the omnivore
Dec 24, 2002 - 06:37   Edit Post Delete Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Susan, so you're a cow? Few women would admit to that internationally on the internet. I don't like human cows, but the bovine ones? Eat them often. I only eat the ones that have a hechsher on them.

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